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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:20 pm

Isnt this e-cig supposed to be cheaper than smoking.

A lot of guys starting out are frustrated by the prices. I have maxed out my credit card a few times on this e-cig trip. And Im the kind of guy who never uses a credit car for anything. In my 20 years of owning a card the only item on my statement is the hosting fees for RDD.

Here is my take on e-cig being more costly than regular cigs.
1. We are only looking at the cost of our monthly bill on cigies. vs that on e-cig. My monthly bill for 3 packs a day for 30 days was 6750/- In the 2-3 months since I have stopped I have blown over 40 grand easy. Much of the stuff I have purchased has been a total waste. There was a time when I was buying 4-5 types of VG for testing. Having one smoke and throwing the rest out.
There have been complete batches of flavors with imported flavors that I have poured down the sink. Because they did not work.
Ive blown over 250$ on just two mods and the bat + charger. i.e. the itaste and the segeli 20 watt. Not to count all the ego twists I purchased. Have blown over 250$ on flavors alone. And now I have to spend another 20-22 K on nicotine.
So there is no way in hell this shit is cheaper than regular cigies form any angle.

So how do you justify the fact that your spending more. And you will. At least initially till you find your setup.

For it was simple. I just think about my health. Can you put a price on your health. Well I guess you can. If you factor in your health then it becomes cheap again.

A simple 3 day stay in the hospital if you go in complaining of chest pain is about 1 Lakh. My bill was 85K to be exact.
If they find you need a stent then its 1 Lakh per stent. Typically if you need a stent its very rarely a single stent. You get a range of stents. The stuff made in India is cheap. The fancy ones cost 1.5 - 2 Lakhs per stent. The US made budget ones are about a lakh each. My old smoker buddy Ravi N. Just got two. His bill was 2.5 Lakhs.

Lets say you have good medical coverage and this is not a problem for you. Well then you have to deal with the pain and discomfort for the rest of your life. I got off lucky. With zero stents. Zero plaque or narrowing of any arteries. It was a wake up call. For most people its the final call.

Im not going to even get started on the pain and discomfort of having a heat attack. Lets just say it very painful.

2. How do you fix a price on how much better you feel when you stop smoking. The benefits from better taste, to stronger erections, better sex. Less bad smell. Less harm to your family from your smoke. All these things have a value. Decide on it. And then do the math.

There is no price you can fix on helping somebody stop smoking. Be it your self or somebody else.

In my trip. Even after the e-cig I have had days and time of strong strong craving. About the only thing that kept me from going back to smoking was the thought that I have spent so much money on e-cig and if I where to go back to smoking now what a waste it would be.

I have too much experience with drug addicts and addiction. So never for a second did I try to fool my self with the whats the harm with having one smoke. If you have one. You will have two. And before you know it your back smoking at full steam.

Dont kid your self. Smoking is a serious drug addiction. In my life I have experimented with tons and tons of drugs. Every kind under the sun. And if I where to pick the strongest drug. / Worst drug I would say its Cigarettes.

Some will say whats the big deal. You haven't achieved anything from going from regular smokes to e-cig. Your getting your nicotine. Im ok with that. Nicotine never killed anybody or caused any cancers by it self.

I may land up on the e-cig trip for the rest of my life. Or it could be just a passing phase. One thing I know for sure. I am never going to go back to regular smokes. Unless they ban e-cig in India. If they do that I will get friends to smuggle my nic into the country or I will figure out how to make it my self.

So in summary when you add up how much your spending on your e-cig consider the fact that medical bills, and health have no price.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:54 pm

On building coils. And getting the air flow vs the Juice flow right.
Lets face it some people have a knack for this. Lets face it practice makes perfect. But I do see some people are never going to get this right. For you guys the best bet is to just stick to the non rebuildables. Or get somebody to build your coils. Or spend some time with somebody who is good at building them and ask them for tips. On what your doing wrong.

I think the most common error people make is winding the coil too tight around the wicking material be it cotton or silica. Keep in mind two things a. The media will swell up when it gets wet. & b. The juice needs to flow thru the coil.

My tip would be to start with less than you think is idle and then keep adding more.

The next thing you need to keep in mind is the thickness of the juice when building a coil. All bottom coils work in the same way be it a Kayfun / Russian / Taifun / Kanger Tech tank etc. There is a hole thru which the juice must pass. The wick media is normally blocking this hole. Thick juices need less media blocking the hole. And thin juices need more densely packed wick media to prevent over flowing of the juice. If you have gurgling it means you need to cover more of that hole / entry of the juice point. If your getting dry hits it means you have too much media covering the hole and you need to reduce it.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:57 pm

A quick way to tell the quality of your VG is to smoke it without any flavor.
Good quality VG is defined by the material left behind after it is burnt. The really high quality stuff should as per what I have read leave behind under 0.1% on the coil.
Flavors are another matter. Some leave a lot some leave less. Natural flavors leave more. Sent based ones less.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by simz » Wed Jul 16, 2014 1:04 pm

If you're starting in the world of vaping and finding it's just not doing it for you physically, what you could try is getting into it more. Watch some videos from guys like PBusardo, RipTrippers, IndoorSmokers etc. Once it starts as a hobby you automatically get invested in it (no, that doesn't mean pots of money necessarily) and smoking cigarettes seem like the kind of thing you would do when you were young and didn't know any better.

There's a lot of good tips, with a lot of truth in them, right here to keep you on the smoke-free road.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Sat Jul 26, 2014 12:53 am

Best way to store your e-juice.
Glass is the best way to store your e-juice. If you plan on keeping it for more than a week move it to glass.
Nicotine and various flavors react with anything but SS and glass.

As a vendor I only use Borosil or borosilicate. As a regular user you can use regular glass.
The process to use glass is the same as that which is used in making jams and pickles.

This is how I do it.
First wast the glass in water and soap.
Then wash the glass in IPA or Alcohol to remove the fats left behind by the soap.
Then boil in hot water for 3 min.
Then heat over open flame.
Then leave in the sun for 2 days.

This is the method I use.
You must use IPA else the smell of soap will get into everything you use.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:09 am

Q: I have only 1 tank how do i use different flavors.
Ans: You cant. Its not recommended. Because some of the flavor will remain in the tank. So no matter what your smoking you will get the taste of the previous flavors. The solution is

First you grade your flavors on strength. Some flavors are stronger than others. So you do not vape these first. You vape the mild flavors first and then you can move from mild to stronger and the stronger flavor hides the milder flavor.

Strong flavors taste the best though.

So for example Ill classify flavors into different categories. Strong, Mild and light.
A strong can hide the mild and weak and the strong can replace another strong.
The strong flavors are
1. Coffee Choclate. (Coffee taste remains).
2. Pann
3. Mellon Madness
4. Black Currant.

Mild would be
Honey do
RY4
China Flavors

Light would be
Cigar cuban.
Irish cream
etc.

Second point is you clean tanks between changing flavors.
1. Use hot water avoid soap unless your really must use it.
2. If you use soap you must use alcohol / vodka to remove the soap smell else it will give you a soap taste. Water does not remove soap taste only alcohol. How ever you wash it you must use water as the last step. So soap - alcohol - water.
3. Stip down your tank as much as you can. Flavors get into o-rings, threads, etc
4. Do a dry burn. (If you have cotton you will need to replace it. )

How I have it now is I have a dripper for the strong flavors. Worst case I have separate coils for strong flavors.
They are easy to change out.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:59 am

Q: Does VG contain pig fat or animal fat.
I knew this one was going to crop up. And to be honest I can tell you anything and another vendor can tell you anything.
The best bet if you want to play it safe with a mild hit to your health. Ask for Synthetic VG. Yes I believe Natural VG is healthier.
And we use Vegetable based Glycerin. The truth be told as long as the chemical property is right there is no difference between them.

Q: Why this move in the vaping scene to move from PG to VG. Is it cost. ?
Ans: For me personally it was an issue of health.
Smoking the high PG China juice where making me feel sick.
When I started to smoke VG. I found I felt fine by the end of the day if I had the vape in my mouth.

I will admit that the PG I have can be smoked without feeling sick. But PG is by its nature very nasty.
Look it up. The throat hit they all tak about is your skin burning in reaction to the nasty stuff in PG.
The bottle says wash off if it comes in contact with the skin. Do you really want to inhale something like this ?

It would make very easy for the business if one where to use PG. Here is why
1. Nicotine disolves in PG very easy.
2. Flavors disolve in PG very easy.
3. No need to steep mix and sell.
4. Works ok on cartos because they needed think liquid to work and not much nicotine or vapour was being deliverd. When tank technology took off. The consumption of PG shoot thru the roof. I feel that body cant handle PG in anything but cartos.

People have no idea about the challenges of blending VG. Here are some of the steps. Some left out because we dont wish to share.
1. You must use more flavor. Which costs more than VG or PG.
2. You must heat the mixture to get the blending started.
3. You must shake every day for at least 7-10 days.
4. You must expose the glass jars to direct sunlight.
5. You must run the juice in the Ultra Sonic cleaner and the microwave to get the flavors to transfer.

PG on the other hand just sucks the flavors in. No blending. Heck 90 per cent of the flavors are PG based. How easy is that.
Mix shake and your done. Any wonder large scale boys cant use VG.

There have been medical reports that have clearly advocated shifting from PG to VG.

I dont think anybody can argue with a straight face that PG is something you should have in your lungs.
It may be ok for the stomach.

If you dont like the taste off one type of VG try the other.

In my book working with VG is very very hard. And unless the flavor is also VG based (Very very rare you cant make 100% Vg juice).

Im also not convinced that nicotine mixes well with VG. And its critical that the nicotine blends. So VG may have to be used here again. Finally I believe just listen to your body. Speak to older vapers like 45+ their bodies are more sensitive. Anybody who switches to VG will just feel better. If all you ever vape is a few pulls on a carto ignore my complete post. This post is only for guys who use tanks. And who are consuming more than 1 ML of juice a day. Carto guys can vape pretty much anything. It hardly matters. The 150 Mah bat just cant make serious vapour. Which works for a lot of people. In face they want to keep people on the Cartos. Because that is the biggest money spinner in the e-cig world.
The first time you try a real tank you will throw away your carto.
Always remember to shake your bottle PG or VG each time before use.

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Re: Tips from Baba.

Post by chinoy » Wed Sep 03, 2014 9:58 pm

Here are some things you must know as an e-cig user.

If a juice vendor wants you to like a particular flavor all they have to do is put in more nic.
You may not detect the nic. But your brain does and it latches onto the higher nic flavors and you start to like them.

Another way to get users hooked onto a juice is to just use some tobacco absolute. Or WTA. Again here the brain detects it in minutest qty and seeks it out.
I am 99% sure that this is how Hallo Is doing it. As well as any other preimum brands.

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Post by chinoy » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:00 am

Q: What are the implications of steeping my juice with the lid off ?. Good or bad. Why do people do it. Do you do it ?.

Ans:
It works and helps under two situations.
First situation is when the flavor used is more perfumey and les taste based. Your typical example would be the Dekang and hangsen flavors from FT.
These smell like over powering chemical perfume when you get them. And take about 2 months to mature if at all. These benefit from leaving the cover open.
The second situation is when the juice is very thick. Leaving the cover open allows the juice to absorb moisture from the air. So you now have water in your juice. Water dissolves nicotine. And the PG / VG both absorb that. Im not sure which is the most hydroscopic of the bunch. But Id assume that absorbs the water first. I know for sure all 3 are hydroscopic. Just not sure on the numbers.
But long story short it helps thin down your juice.
Also leaving it open exposes your nic to oxidation. They say it has zero effect on the strength of the nicotine but it can lead to a slight color change.

I personally do not steep anything but the ready made China stuff with the cover open. Because I leave you loose flavors and nic with the cover open. ANd the customer will spend enough time with the cover off anyway.

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Post by atulchadha » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:01 pm

really great tips.

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